Q: Here I would like discuss topic about hijab for woman. Would you deliberate it based on dissection of Quran.
And the “black node” in the forehead, some so called pious sunni belief that if they have “black node” on their forehead they consider theirself taqwa 🤣
’ll start with the black node cause hijab is a big topic which ill go into detail. The mark on the forehead is called the zebibah. The ayat they relate it to is this .
48:29 …..Their mark (is) on their faces from (the) trace (of) the prostration……
The mark doesnt mean a physical mark on the forehead. The word “faces” here is used not forehead.
There are two mentions of forehead
https://www.organisedquran.com/forehead
The word it uses means face
https://www.organisedquran.com/face-face
So the ayat doesnt mean a mark on their forehead but it is in regards to obedience, worship and the humble glow one radiates from their face.
salam
Before I show the Quran and hijab, I want to show the hadith that they believe was the purpose for covering and the ayats we received.
These two hadith from many hadiths explain Umar himself proclaimed he was the purpose of revelation
SAHIH BUKHARI The Book of As-Slat
Narrated `Umar (bin Al-Khattâb) رَضِيَ اللهُ عَنْهُ : My Lord agreed (accepted my invocation) with me in three things:
……And as regards the (Verse of) the veiling of the women, I said, ‘O Allâh’s Messenger! I wish you ordered your wives to cover themselves from the men because good and bad ones talk to them.’ So the Verse of the veiling of the women was revealed. [V.24:31 and V.33:59]…..
Narrated Umar: I said, “O Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ)! Good and bad persons enter upon you, so I suggest that you order the mothers of the Believers (i.e. your wives) to observe veils.” Then Allah revealed the Verses of Al- Hijab.
[Hadith – Sahih-al-Bukhari – Vol. 6, Book 60, Hadith 313]
So according to their hadiths it was
And then this shocking one on how it came to be
Narrated `Aisha: The wives of the Prophet (ﷺ) used to go to Al-Manasi, a vast open place (near Baqi` at Medina) to answer the call of nature at night. `Umar used to say to the Prophet (ﷺ) “Let your wives be veiled,” but Allah’s Apostle did not do so. One night Sauda bint Zam`a the wife of the Prophet (ﷺ) went out at `Isha’ time and she was a tall lady. `Umar addressed her and said, “I have recognized you, O Sauda.” He said so, as he desired eagerly that the verses of Al-Hijab (the observing of veils by the Muslim women) may be revealed. So Allah revealed the verses of “Al-Hijab” (A complete body cover excluding the eyes).
[Hadith – Sahih-al-Bukhari – Vol. 1, Book 4, Hadith 148]
We are told the verse has come about as a result of one of his wives being recognised whilst attending to nature’s call, on her account of being tall. BUT If Umar had lowered his gaze in the first place he wouldn’t have recognised her
This hadith, if to be followed that women must cover, means women MUST cover, even while attending the call of nature
Also if we accept this hadith then clearly it states the prophet didn’t want the women veiled. Allah therefore only sent the ayat to protect from the eyes of a pervert like Umar.
Is Umar manipulating the system? by sinning he is receiving ayats to protect from him, clear as daylight in that above hadith
They have also translated in the above ayat the Hijab means a complete body cover excluding eyes.
So many errors in hijab concept.
I can continue with many more hadiths but lets look at Quran.
The word hijab occurs 7 times the Qur’an at 7:46, 17:45, 19:17, 33:53, 38:32, 41:5, 42:51
A barrier between believers and deniers in hereafter 7:46
A barrier placed between the prophet and those who do not believe in the hereafter when he recites Quran 17:45
A barrier/partition behind which the sun disappears at the end of the day 38:32
A barrier/partition which prevents those who hear the message from understanding it 41:5
A barrier from behind which Allah gives instruction to a mortal 42:51
so we plainly see that in none of those instances in which the Quran uses the term hijab does it denote clothing of any sort – female or otherwise.
there are also these ayats which I want to further discuss
A barrier/partition in the house of the prophet so that protocol might be observed between common believers and wives of the prophet 33:53 and a barrier/partition which Mariyam placed between herself and her people 19:17
Before I go into more detail about hijab, in 33:53 it is the only place in the entire Quran where the prophet is asked for a hadith (lihadithin). The prophet is troubled by it.
…when you have taken the food, then disperse– not seeking to listen to lihadithin; surely this gives the Prophet trouble, but he forbears from you, and Allah does not forbear from the truth…..
So to continue with 33:53 it says
And when you ask of them any goods, ask of them from behind a curtain/barrier/partition; this is purer for your hearts and (for) their hearts; and it does not behove you that you should give trouble to the Apostle of Allah, nor that you should marry his wives after him ever; surely this is grievous in the sight of Allah.
If we are to take this hijab to mean for all women and not just the prophets wives, then the ayat means that no woman is allowed to get married. You cant take one part of the ayat while ignoring the other.
Sorry guys and find me in your patience but would like to ask, would you guys like me to show you hadiths as well or only Quran?
I like educating and with any many sources as required, I rarely quote any hadith besides bukhari
Like for example 33:53 and the pestering for hadiths of the prophet, which troubled him, is apparently Abu Hurairah Bukhari 65: 343
Or that Aisha from behind a veil still managed to take a bath, a peep show in front of her brother and friend. Bukhari 1:5:251
For now Ill continue with Quran only
The other ayat I wanted to show was the barrier/partition which Mariyam placed between herself and her people 19:17
Now a lot of people make the arguement that Mariyam wore a hijab
Firstly there are a limited number of women mentioned in the Quran and from them two wore crowns.
The Queen of sheeba who most definitely was not oppressed as most woman are and was even comfortable enough to reveal her ankles. Did Sulaiman attack her?
There is also the wife of Firoun who would have had a crown. Women are told to obey their husbands in hadiths but if Firons wife obeyed her husband she would not have been a good example.
Mariyam took a hijab between herself and her people.
19:17 She placed a screen (hijab) between her and her people. Then, we sent unto her Our Spirit.
not head cover but distance
those who say we wear hijab because Mariyam wore a hijab, technically that means if we are to follow mariyams example, the only true HIJAB wearers are nuns because they try and distance/seclude themselves from people, worldly life and politics.
You cant distance yourself and still be involved in the community like every muslim woman who wears the hijab does. Those who are in burqas are usually more distanced from society but then they inadvertently are claiming they are better than mariyams hijab because she only went hijab while they completely cover.
Should I continue with covering ayats or just stop with the word hijab?
May you all find me in your patience. Forgive me
Q: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_J5bDhMP9lQ&feature=youtu.be
Would you also elaborate her view in hijab
Using the word hijab 1st, then we can move on to ayats about covering parts
I haven’t had time to watch it all but sis in the vid at around 2 min she says a Quran verse but says the opposite,
She’s says “this is better that they not be known”
Actually it says
“O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies . That will be better, that they should be known so as not to be annoyed. And Allah is Ever Oft‑Forgiving, Most Merciful”
33:59
So it’s not they they should not be known but that they should be known
Well sis theres not much more to add from Quran about hijab
The word means the word hijab sis in the Quran means mainly distancing/ separating but it also means hinders/ prevents/ precludes/ conceals/ covers/ protects/ intervenes, hid, seclude, to veil / conceal/ cover/ hide a thing, intervene between two things.
You can find the root details and the dictionary reference on my site https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/roots/Haa-Jiim-Ba.html
Sis I should also add there are those that say it protects woman because when she reveals herself, she is more likely to be taken advantage of, yet muslim countries have extremely high cases of rape, like in Egypt they did a study by a group called clouds in the egypt’s sky and 72.5% of victims surveyed were wearing hijab when they raped.
So how is the hijab a protection against rape and harassment? Also sis we know women in burqas get raped like for example in Afghanistan and 99 year old grandmas are even raped. unfortunately sick man exist everywhere. Sick men label women slags who dont wear hijab and when they do, they try taking advantage of and think she’s fair game. Cant win.
Q: For most muslim, the references about hijab are
Surah Al-Ahzab [33:59],
Surah An-Nur [24:30-31]
Would you elaborate
Surah An-Nur [24:30-31]
And also your stand about hijab law whether it is absolute, should (suggested), or may (depend on the situation)?
[12:11, 8/26/2019] James: 24:30 addresses the men before women. This is crucial to know because that means we can use the men or our prophets in the Quran as our examples for our clothing attire. All the Prophets wore clothing to match their surroundings, they blended in, were part of that culture and never purposely stood out in a crowd.If we are to still wear the same clothes as our Prophets, we must then all walk around with just leaves on our genitilia like Adam and his spouse.
24:31 And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and keep covered their private parts,
and that they should not show-off their beauty except what is apparent,
and let them cast their shawls over their cleavage.
And let them not show-off their beauty except to their husbands, or their fathers, or fathers of their husbands, or their sons, or the sons of their husbands, or their brothers, or the sons of their brothers, or the sons of their sisters, or their children that come after them, or those who are still their dependants, or the male servants who are without need,
or the child who has not yet understood the composition of women.
And let them not strike with their feet in a manner that reveals what they are keeping hidden of their beauty.
And repent to God, all of you believers, that you may succeed.
Now sis the ” should not show-off their beauty except what is apparent” or not display their adornment except what is apparent of it.
Sis the first thing to take from the above ayat is that beauty is separate to private parts
Private’s should always be concealed, whereas apparent beauty can be displayed without exaggerating.
Also sis it mentions apparent ẓahara beauty
What is apparent on a body? Males also have hair eyes hands feet, the APPARENT is not our face or hair.
What is not apparent is our genders organs, our private parts. The obvious difference between sexes. Yes men do have breasts but that is addressed in the next ayat and womens breast shape is different therefore not apparent.
So sis cover your private parts (below the neck) and everything else is beauty.
Quran says clothing was made to cover our shame, beauty and guarding.
[7.26] O children of Adam! We have indeed sent down to you clothing to cover your shame, and (clothing) for beauty and clothing that guards (against evil), that is the best. This is of the communications of Allah that they may be mindful.
If clothing was made for beauty then it means averting the eyes from men who do raise their gaze is impossible.
Clothing is an adjective of ones self. It expresses your confidence, your emotions and your ego. It explains how you found yourself attractive. You can dress to be desirable or you can dress modestly. Modesty is the humbleness of ones self. It means not to exaggerate and be in moderate estimation of yourself.
Then sis the ayat continues. “and let them cast their shawls over their cleavage.”
sis the word for covering is bikhumurihinna. it means covering anything like for example putting a blanket on a bed or covering a table.
So its generic and isn’t specific but then it is followed by juyūbihinna which means cleavage/bosom/chest of a woman.
It doesn’t say the Arabic words ‘shaar’ (hair) or ‘raas’ (head) it says juyūbihinna, breasts.
Also sis the word “juyubihinna” meaning bosom is related to the word jaybika which means pocket and can be found in 27:12, 28:32 when Allah tells Musa to put his hand in his jaybika.
A jaybika or pocket is the bottom part of the body, it makes no sense for a pocket to be on the head.
then the ayat continues to
“And let them not show-off their beauty except to their or
and not (to) display their adornment except to their …”
The word for adornments zīnatahunna is specified. The word also appears at the end of the ayat and says
“And not let them their feet to make known what they conceal of their adornment.”
When women strike their feet it is the breasts that moves.
then sis they ayat metions in its list of whom you can reveal yourself to,
“children who (are) not aware of private aspects (of) the women”
Studies have shown it is common for a children between 2-3 to start exploring their private parts and be curious of the hidden parts of their own and especially the opposite gender. All male children at this stage are very much aware of face and hair of a woman and never show curiosity because they have knowledge of what it resembles, the private or hidden parts of the human anatomy is where they show interest. Hair and face do not qualify as a hidden part of a woman but bosoms and gentalia definitely does.
33:59 O Prophet! Say to your wives and your daughters and (the) women (of) the believers to draw over themselves [of] their outer garments. That (is) more suitable that they should be known and not harmed. And is Allah Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
So the important word here is Jalābībihinna outer garments.
Jiim-Lam-Ba-Ba is its root https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/roots/Jiim-Lam-Ba-Ba.html
It is only used in this ayat and so has a limited understanding
This root does stem from another root ( I personally believe they are one root, not two separate roots)
Jiim-Lam-Ba
https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/roots/Jiim-Lam-Ba.html
Which means to attract, fetch, gain, win over etc
Like the word jallab means attractive, captivating, Trader
Quran tells us that clothing was made to (in 7:26) cover, beautify, guard. So sis an attractive jilbab, but not revealing that will protect and guard. In regards to what a jilbab is, it is a very generic word that changes with fashion. Allah doesn’t specify the particular length of the garment and leaves it to each woman to decide what length is appropriate for her to be recognised as a righteous woman and not to be insulted. This changes with the cultures of locations.
For example sis, imagine you live in California where the clothing culture is more laid back (revealing) due to the continual heat. Overdressing in California with the modern perception of jalabib (or even with just the modern hijab and no loose clothing) from head to toe will attract insults. The appropriate clothing of California would be a more laid back style where you don’t attract but blend in while still maintaining modesty. The world doesn’t need to know we are Muslims by our attire but by our actions sis.
So sis people cover their private parts in order to maintain righteousness (as in 7:26). Generically it means all parts of the body which have sexual connotation such as the private parts, the backside, the chest, thighs and so on. Not revealing and not overdone.
In warm climates people, sexually suggestive parts would be the minimum clothing required while also maintaining righteousness and in colder climates changes depending on the severity of their weather.
Sis Allah would not have bothered with words such as the “cleavage” nor with “what is normally apparent”if he wanted us to cover all the female body. He simply would have said “cover all your body”.
But he singles out specific parts of the body for covering is the proof that jilbab is never required women to cover all their bodies, head to toe.
So i imagine something like this is appropriate.
As I pointed out in the video the woman says that they should not be known meaning hide their identity. Where as Quran says “That will be better, that they should be known so as not to be annoyed.” If the face was covered and their identity is hidden how would they be known?
Such extreme clothing goes against this ayat
Comment:
In my opinion, James’s perception helped too. I have also become increasingly aware of how God gives freedom range. What is written seems to be the minimum limit. There will be more than the minimum limit and that’s okay. But what is not allowed is to make the excess of the minimum limit into a new standard / law, the show is made to judge others.
Example of the hijab. For example, want to use a minimum standard only that which is closed is okay. Want more closed also not prohibited. What’s wrong is that it doesn’t close to a minimum.
Then wrong again is that closing more than the minimum limit to punish those at the minimum limit as not sharia. And those who use the minimum to punish those who close up more as fools.
My conclusion as far as the subject of Qur’anic law is like. Minimum limits and flexibility for more. If more is made into a new law, it is called bid’ah.
For example the case of khamr, which is limited is the maximum usage limit. Indications given. I don’t want to consume. Want to consume a little allowed.
For example, pray, the minimum limit given. A minimum of 3 times and of them there is glorification. If the glorification is to use the same ritual with prayer, it is also not prohibited … meaning there can be more than 3 prayers. What’s wrong is praying less than 3 times already mentioned.
When I was interested in men, it was a matter of clothing. Are there other minimum criteria in the Qur’an besides the verses relating to the hijab?
For example … in the Queen Saba ‘case. It was clearly stated that she had exposed her undershirts (covering her calves) to avoid water.
That means there are no interesting points:
- Clothes close the legs until the calf is clearly closed.
- The clothes are saggy enough so they can be exposed to avoid getting dirty.
When the clothes were exposed she felt embarrassed. I think I’ll take lessons too
I’m getting more information.
According to James’s explanation, the Apostles dressed as their people. I think that’s right.
What I disagree with is that the sample is Adam. It is said that the standard clothing is a leaf and if it follows Adam then until now the Apostle uses a leaf.
Even though Adam’s children and grandchildren are said to have provided clothes. Means there is a standardization of clothing after Adam’s childhood. anah standardization iki will be fulfilled by Rasul2. Although it may be different cultures. for example the color, style, etc. are the same as the culture. But the problem is closed and not the same.
Another verse, for example clothing was created to protect from heat and from war conditions. We were thinking about going to take refuge from the heat, which parts should be covered? If you wear armor, which one is covered to protect from enemy attacks?
Another verse likens the clothes as night. And another verse likens a life partner as clothes. Then there is also a verse that mentions piety as clothing. This is interesting you know.
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